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post #171 of 185 (permalink) Old 01-05-2017, 03:33 AM
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OK, I am probably going to sound dumb here, but I am not an electrician, so doesn't having a power outlet in my truck mean I already have an inverter?

Oh and good advice on letting it sit running for a while...
Any way to move to florida? Lol it'll stop your freezing problems but then you'll have heat problems. Can't go any where and fix all the problems haha. It's freezing here today tho, had to put two jackets on, 2 pairs of socks and 2 pairs of pants. Brrrr got down to 55 this morning.

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OK, I am probably going to sound dumb here, but I am not an electrician, so doesn't having a power outlet in my truck mean I already have an inverter?

Oh and good advice on letting it sit running for a while...
Any way to move to florida? Lol it'll stop your freezing problems but then you'll have heat problems. Can't go any where and fix all the problems haha. It's freezing here today tho, had to put two jackets on, 2 pairs of socks and 2 pairs of pants. Brrrr got down to 55 this morning.

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There ain't no fishable ice in Florida.
I would just like to get this figured out so I feel better while out on the ice.

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OK, I am probably going to sound dumb here, but I am not an electrician, so doesn't having a power outlet in my truck mean I already have an inverter?

Oh and good advice on letting it sit running for a while...
Any way to move to florida? Lol it'll stop your freezing problems but then you'll have heat problems. Can't go any where and fix all the problems haha. It's freezing here today tho, had to put two jackets on, 2 pairs of socks and 2 pairs of pants. Brrrr got down to 55 this morning.

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There ain't no fishable ice in Florida.
I would just like to get this figured out so I feel better while out on the ice.
I don't blame you, I have to bring mine in for warranty on melting the plastics probably bringing it in tomorrow. Hope you get it fixed.

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Really weird. I've not had mine on the ice,yet this year. Hoping I fixed it with the Polaris Starter Relay upgrade. I'm not so sure about what the issue is/was. Like you said, a five ride out on the ice, shut it down and later - no start. I've had two machines that do this - 2010 550 and my 2015 850. They both would start, at some point later in the day. Not so sure it's the same issue with both machines. The 850 might be the brake switch - have to hold the brake to start that machine, at all times.
Here's what I think - a long ride on the ice, with fine mist of ice and snow all through and around the machine. Things are warm and the ice/snow melts, wherever it gets to, then you shut down and it freezes.
Could be the starter, for sure. Last year, I pulled the starter relay and put it back in - instant fix. Maybe coincidental? For sure, not a good feeling when you are out 5 miles on the ice and your machine has tracks and there is not much that will tow you off. If my 850 issue does not get resolved this winter, it'll be the last Polaris, I ever own and it will be gone before next year.
What can I carry to put heat on the starter, while out on the ice. I do carry a jump pack for backup power. Any 12VDC hair dryers out there?
Well, finally got back on the ice. Out yesterday am - 5 mile ride out on bare ice with 10 Deg.F. temps. No snow! Let the machine idle for 10 minutes before shutting down. 5 hours later, NO START! This is with the new Polaris starter relay kit. Only difference was the loudness of the "click". Very audible now. Got my propane torch fired up and holding it some distance from the starter/plastics, was able to get some heat on the starter. Maybe a minute of that and it started just like it should.
So I guess, I'll stop by the dealer to let the tech know my results and then remove and dissemble the starter.
What I really suspect is a typical Polaris issue ---- poor quality control on parts! The other thing that gave me a problem yesterday was the kill switch. One time, I had to switch it back and forth a couple times to get a contact. Strange because I never use that switch. If it continues to be an issue, I'll replace that.
Anyways, an excellent day of fishing.

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Really weird. I've not had mine on the ice,yet this year. Hoping I fixed it with the Polaris Starter Relay upgrade. I'm not so sure about what the issue is/was. Like you said, a five ride out on the ice, shut it down and later - no start. I've had two machines that do this - 2010 550 and my 2015 850. They both would start, at some point later in the day. Not so sure it's the same issue with both machines. The 850 might be the brake switch - have to hold the brake to start that machine, at all times.
Here's what I think - a long ride on the ice, with fine mist of ice and snow all through and around the machine. Things are warm and the ice/snow melts, wherever it gets to, then you shut down and it freezes.
Could be the starter, for sure. Last year, I pulled the starter relay and put it back in - instant fix. Maybe coincidental? For sure, not a good feeling when you are out 5 miles on the ice and your machine has tracks and there is not much that will tow you off. If my 850 issue does not get resolved this winter, it'll be the last Polaris, I ever own and it will be gone before next year.
What can I carry to put heat on the starter, while out on the ice. I do carry a jump pack for backup power. Any 12VDC hair dryers out there?
Well, finally got back on the ice. Out yesterday am - 5 mile ride out on bare ice with 10 Deg.F. temps. No snow! Let the machine idle for 10 minutes before shutting down. 5 hours later, NO START! This is with the new Polaris starter relay kit. Only difference was the loudness of the "click". Very audible now. Got my propane torch fired up and holding it some distance from the starter/plastics, was able to get some heat on the starter. Maybe a minute of that and it started just like it should.
So I guess, I'll stop by the dealer to let the tech know my results and then remove and dissemble the starter.
What I really suspect is a typical Polaris issue ---- poor quality control on parts! The other thing that gave me a problem yesterday was the kill switch. One time, I had to switch it back and forth a couple times to get a contact. Strange because I never use that switch. If it continues to be an issue, I'll replace that.
Anyways, an excellent day of fishing.
It really bothers me when I read that Polaris hasn't fixed a serious problem like this on their ATVs. To be left stranded 5 miles out on ice on an almost BRAND NEW machine is completely unacceptable. And life threatening in the cold weather!

For this to have happened on both your 2010 and 2015 and Polaris's inability to repair it, I would try for a lemon law case and try for a complete refund. (including the Tatau track system) Afterall, you must have spent close to $18-19K on this quad.

I think a Can Am is in your future.
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It really bothers me when I read that Polaris hasn't fixed a serious problem like this on their ATVs. To be left stranded 5 miles out on ice on an almost BRAND NEW machine is completely unacceptable. And life threatening in the cold weather!

For this to have happened on both your 2010 and 2015 and Polaris's inability to repair it, I would try for a lemon law case and try for a complete refund. (including the Tatau track system) Afterall, you must have spent close to $18-19K on this quad.

I think a Can Am is in your future.
I paid my dealer (his tech, it's a family business) a visit. Surprised with his recommendation. We talked for quite a while about what I've tried and the fact that he can't reproduce the issue - said he could not justify (warrenty-wise) just replacing parts without being able to troubleshoot the issue.
Anyways, he did say that he had another customer with the same issue - cold air and wind on the open ice with no starter action, just a "click". He said, off the record, he would suggest replacing the starter/solenoid with an after market unit. That Polaris continues to ignore this problem and is still using the same parts. So, I have a unit on order from DB Electicical. Less than $100. Dealer could/would not make the purchase or the install - but did give me $200 credit for store products.
I really can't figure out why a starter/solenoid would behave like this in the cold. I removed the stock starter (not really a big job with the proper tools) and spent 30 minutes striping the plastic coating off the unit. I then dissembled it (hoping to find some moisture in solenoid) NOT! I reassembled and bench tested - everything worked fine. I put it in my freezer for a few hours and retested - again, it tested fine on the bench. I reinstalled. I'll be going out with it again in the AM - we'll see - I am now armed with a plan for testing, if it fails again.

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I've stayed in contact with this thread for awhile and have had the exact same issues you guys are explaining. Upgraded to a bigger battery. Upgraded the starter relay to the new one. Went through about 3 or 4 starters and it was becoming a nightmare! DB electrical by the way is a good place to get starters. Great service but the relay is what finally put this to rest for me! I found taking the rubber coating off the starter vs having it on the starter it doesn't matter, same results. But in total agreement with you! Totally unacceptable for what you pay for the machine

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I've stayed in contact with this thread for awhile and have had the exact same issues you guys are explaining. Upgraded to a bigger battery. Upgraded the starter relay to the new one. Went through about 3 or 4 starters and it was becoming a nightmare! DB electrical by the way is a good place to get starters. Great service but the relay is what finally put this to rest for me! I found taking the rubber coating off the starter vs having it on the starter it doesn't matter, same results. But in total agreement with you! Totally unacceptable for what you pay for the machine

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Yeh - the relay was the first thing we tried. First replacing the stock and then installing the Polaris replacement unit. No help there. I removed the rubber/plastic coating so that I could dissemble the unit and test it.
The thing I did, out in the field, was to apply some heat to the starter unit and that "fixed" it that time. I'm headed out this AM, 11 deg. F. and wind. We will see - I have the test equipment to see where the power is failing. My best guess is the solenoid (don't know why the cold would affect that; but!

2-17-2017 - Well, I would have bet good $$$ that the issue would have surfaced this morning. 10 Deg. F. and light fluffy snow on top - made for a 5 mile run of "C-O-L-D". Shut it down and it started right back up 3 hours later. WTF! Not much changed - no plastic cover on the starter assy. Dissembled and reasembled. Maybe a bad connection from the relay to the solenoid? Or ??? - Now a big weather warmup and another 10 months of waiting for another cold day on the ice.

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3500 lb. Polaris HD Winch
QSC Clutch Kit (from Ryan @ RVS Performance)
Odyssey PC925L-P Power Sports Battery
VIPair Windshield
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EPI HD Springs, Front & Rear
Cecco Frame Braces
27X9 and 27X11-14 STI Rocktane XD Rubber
Guru Bumpers, Front & Rear
Lock 'n Ride Front & Rear Boxes
Rhino Monster, Rear Box
Camoplast Tatou 4s Track System
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Lowrance BAJA 540 GPS
SuperATV EZSteer 380
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Phil, did you end up installing the DB starter/selenoid or was tour last problem with the "click" with the new parts?

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Really weird. I've not had mine on the ice,yet this year. Hoping I fixed it with the Polaris Starter Relay upgrade. I'm not so sure about what the issue is/was. Like you said, a five ride out on the ice, shut it down and later - no start. I've had two machines that do this - 2010 550 and my 2015 850. They both would start, at some point later in the day. Not so sure it's the same issue with both machines. The 850 might be the brake switch - have to hold the brake to start that machine, at all times.
Here's what I think - a long ride on the ice, with fine mist of ice and snow all through and around the machine. Things are warm and the ice/snow melts, wherever it gets to, then you shut down and it freezes.
Could be the starter, for sure. Last year, I pulled the starter relay and put it back in - instant fix. Maybe coincidental? For sure, not a good feeling when you are out 5 miles on the ice and your machine has tracks and there is not much that will tow you off. If my 850 issue does not get resolved this winter, it'll be the last Polaris, I ever own and it will be gone before next year.
What can I carry to put heat on the starter, while out on the ice. I do carry a jump pack for backup power. Any 12VDC hair dryers out there?
Well, finally got back on the ice. Out yesterday am - 5 mile ride out on bare ice with 10 Deg.F. temps. No snow! Let the machine idle for 10 minutes before shutting down. 5 hours later, NO START! This is with the new Polaris starter relay kit. Only difference was the loudness of the "click". Very audible now. Got my propane torch fired up and holding it some distance from the starter/plastics, was able to get some heat on the starter. Maybe a minute of that and it started just like it should.
So I guess, I'll stop by the dealer to let the tech know my results and then remove and dissemble the starter.
What I really suspect is a typical Polaris issue ---- poor quality control on parts! The other thing that gave me a problem yesterday was the kill switch. One time, I had to switch it back and forth a couple times to get a contact. Strange because I never use that switch. If it continues to be an issue, I'll replace that.
Anyways, an excellent day of fishing.
Wow.. Sounds very familiar to what I experienced on Lake Simcoe in Ontario this weekend under very similar conditions.. Had issues with the starter not cranking...just a loud click click click. At one point jumped the solenoid and got it to fire.. Bike started. Let it run for 30 mins and shut it down. 1.5hrs later the bike would crank and not fire.. Almost like it wasn't getting fuel. This happened twice and subjected me to getting towed in twice. So now on top of my potential battery/solenoid/starter issues I am worried that I have fuel that is freezing in my gas line.

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