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post #31 of 46 (permalink) Old 03-07-2019, 08:42 AM Thread Starter
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Iím sure a fuel additive once in a while would help. The dealer told me I should be running 91 octane in it, preferably 93 octane.
AHHH...I did not know that either. I'm learning all kinds of stuff here. 5 gallons of 93 every couple of month seems well worth it to me. I'll definitely make the switch.
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For getting off those stains, try S1000 cleaning spray, use it on my Harley, works great on the HL 1000 for getting mud stains of the cases. Spray it on, wait, spray it off, works great.
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From the owners manual:

Use either leaded or unleaded gasoline with a minimum pump octane number of 87 = (R + M/2) octane. Do not use fuel with ethanol content greater than 10 percent, such as E-85 fuel.

You don''t need 93 octane, but most high octane fuels contain less ethanol than the lower grades. Just try to get non-ethanol fuel whenever possible. I was using VP Racing SEF (94 octane) in my snow blower, generators, but we got a new Casey's General Store and they have one pump of 91 octane ethanol free fuel, so I no longer have to drive 20 miles for ethanol free pump gas or use SEF. Look around - you might have a station near you with alcohol free gas.
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From the owners manual:

Use either leaded or unleaded gasoline with a minimum pump octane number of 87 = (R + M/2) octane. Do not use fuel with ethanol content greater than 10 percent, such as E-85 fuel.

You don''t need 93 octane, but most high octane fuels contain less ethanol than the lower grades. Just try to get non-ethanol fuel whenever possible. I was using VP Racing SEF (94 octane) in my snow blower, generators, but we got a new Casey's General Store and they have one pump of 91 octane ethanol free fuel, so I no longer have to drive 20 miles for ethanol free pump gas or use SEF. Look around - you might have a station near you with alcohol free gas.
Very True! I used to run ethanol free in ALL of my small engines. Country Mark here in Indy used to be ethanol free. They recently changed that, and there is no Ethanol free near me now, at least, not that I have been able to find. I now just put "Stabil" in all of my small engines and it's ALMOST as good as ethanol free. What makes ethanol so harmful to engines is the fact that it's only stable for about 30 days. After that the ethanol begins to evaporate, creating moisture, sludge, all kinds of damaging stuff to an engine. It's typically ok in our cars because we all drive so much, we never hit that 30 day mark. But most small engines have gas that sits in them for long periods of time, so "Stabil" will help combat that.
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I ride the 570 often even through winter and even buying 91 or 93 as much as I need for it isn’t that bad. I don’t have any ethenol free stations near me and buying 87 only to put additives in it will cost more.

I bought it used this past summer and I suspect the owner knew of the condition when he sold it. Once this winter hit it became very obvious it needed shop time

It was $540 to have the head removed and the valves cleaned, so higher octane it is. Great fourwheeler other than that, I work it often and I does well
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Better than Stabil is Ethanol Equalizer by Liquid Performance

Check it out the video here http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZcVZcTBiPI

The products they test against are Startron, Stabil and Seafoam - none of those products will emulsify water. Engine oil contains emulsifiers and given a period of time water added to engine oil will be emulsified and the oil becomes a gooey mixture - the color of the mixture depends on the color of the dye in the oil. Oil may emulsify with water, but most oils will not mix with alcohol and that becomes a separate problem.

The water test is accurate. Alcohol is hydrophilic and will attract water. Gasoline is hydrophobic and floats on top of water - when you mix alcohol with gas then add water, the water causes the alcohol to separate from the gas. A gallon of gas only needs .4% water to get the alcohol to separate from the gas. I have tested this product and when you have treated ethanol fuel with this product you can add 10% water to a gallon of gas it will not separate. The alcohol stays emulsified within the fuel and the added water simply goes to the bottom of the container and lays there.

Now, on the 'carbon' removal; I worked in a plant where we inked metal products - the ink was actually a dye and not an ink - it can be removed with acetone (finger nail polish remover). I an not impressed with this demonstration. You can remove carbon deposits from an engine with water injection and its not necessary on an efficiently running engine.

I took the test a step further and mixed gas, water and Ethanol Equalizer in proportionate amounts to simulate fuel in a fuel tank and performed the same test with basically the same results, but I prefer to simply buy ethanol free fuel.

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I'll check out that ethanol equilaizer.

Update on the Bosh Chemical Rust Remover. So far I've tried CLR, and a vinegar/dawn mixture. Both worked but it took ALOT of scrubbing. I also used a wire brush which worked great but that's not the best idea on aluminum. I also dont know if the housing are anodized or not, so I dont want to mess that up either. Anyway, so tonight I sprayed on the Bosh (it actually claims to be a degreaser as well) gave it 10 mins to soak, and just for the hell of it sprayed it again...let it soak for 10 more mins. After that the aluminum literally whiped clean with a shop towel. But that would take forever so now that it seems the stains are "lifted" from the surface, I'm guessing the power washer will whisk it right away. I'm so ready to get this damn thing clean and put back together!
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How about their fuel system cleaner?

I usually run 91 octane because it is ethanol free and takes longer to breakdown.

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Better than Stabil is Ethanol Equalizer by Liquid Performance

Check it out the video here http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZcVZcTBiPI

The products they test against are Startron, Stabil and Seafoam - none of those products will emulsify water. Engine oil contains emulsifiers and given a period of time water added to engine oil will be emulsified and the oil becomes a gooey mixture - the color of the mixture depends on the color of the dye in the oil. Oil may emulsify with water, but most oils will not mix with alcohol and that becomes a separate problem.

The water test is accurate. Alcohol is hydrophilic and will attract water. Gasoline is hydrophobic and floats on top of water - when you mix alcohol with gas then add water, the water causes the alcohol to separate from the gas. A gallon of gas only needs .4% water to get the alcohol to separate from the gas. I have tested this product and when you have treated ethanol fuel with this product you can add 10% water to a gallon of gas it will not separate. The alcohol stays emulsified within the fuel and the added water simply goes to the bottom of the container and lays there.

Now, on the 'carbon' removal; I worked in a plant where we inked metal products - the ink was actually a dye and not an ink - it can be removed with acetone (finger nail polish remover). I an not impressed with this demonstration. You can remove carbon deposits from an engine with water injection and its not necessary on an efficiently running engine.

I took the test a step further and mixed gas, water and Ethanol Equalizer in proportionate amounts to simulate fuel in a fuel tank and performed the same test with basically the same results, but I prefer to simply buy ethanol free fuel.

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