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For me, I hate the noise most of those Harleys make. We have quite a few of them which roar up and down the road in front of our house and we can't hear the tv for the amount of time it takes for them to get by. I'd love for the dot to do an exhaust decible meter check for all the loud obnoxious motorcycles and diesel pickups. If they're excessively loud, then they have one month to get them in compliance. If they test loud again, it'd be a $500 fine. Then they get another month and the next time would be $1500. I can hear some of those stupid motorcycles and pickups for over a mile away. That's rediculous. What I don't understand is, the forest service has noise levels for mortorcycles and 4 wheelers etc. There's hardly anyone up there to hear that noise. But yet in town or out in the suburbs, vehicles can make all the noise they want where there are people who can hear it. Makes no sense to me. I like my diesel pickup and 4 wheeler to be quiet. One time I put a more flow through muffler on my pickup. I kept my stock muffler and was glad I did as the first trip we took with that thing I knew there was no way I was going to want to listen to that loud thing. We couldn't even talk to each other without having to raise our voices. Loud noisy vehicles suck!!
 

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" the forest service has noise levels for mortorcycles and 4 wheelers"

They do?? Must be a Billings thing. The only thing you MUST have around here is a spark arrestor.
 

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Let those bastards try to steal that heavy bastard. Most thieves are too lazy to work that hard at something and it's owner is a known deterrent as is his Glock. I live in the semi-hood and I leave it in the back yard under a cover. It will go back in the garage after winter. I did cable lock it through the wheels and a arms and around a post when I went on vacation last week. I am the crazy white guy in the neighborhood so I have not had any problems. They make a nice little padlock with a built in alarm so if someone moves your ATV or messes with the alarm it goes off.

Works great and you can use it as a padlock or padlock & alarm.
 

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It's not a Billings thing it's a whole Montana forest thing. All the National forests in Montana have noise decible laws. We belong to an atv club as well as several other organizations which have to do with motorsports, and on every rally we've been on, they check for spark arresters as well as the noise level of the machine, whether it's a 4x4, utv, atv, motorcyle or anything else which will be used in the forest. If it's too loud, you can and will be fined if you're caught. So we have to have machines which are quiet in the mountains but it's ok to have something which will destroy your hearing where there are populations of people. What a backwards society. I'd love to be able to have all the noisey motorcycle and pickup drivers stick their heads down by their exhaust pipes and just rev the crap out of their engines for hours until they begged for mercy. If they like that loud stinkin exhaust noise, then let them really hear it. Maybe a few of them would change their minds, but probably not.
 

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Don't know why everyone thinks loud is cool? Nothing is cooler than stealth and silence, especially to your neighbors.
 

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You can have nice sounding vehicles without being just loud. The key is to pick your exhaust parts carefully where you end up with a sweet sounding vehicle and not a pos loud vehicle. As for atv's....I'm with Kevin. When I'm in the woods I want as much quiet as I can get, and lets face it most loud atv's sound like s%#t, just pure noise to get the operater noticed and that's all.
 

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Don't know why everyone thinks loud is cool? Nothing is cooler than stealth and silence, especially to your neighbors.
How was your trip to Mexico. Was Senor Frogs still there??
 

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I couldn't agree with you guys more. My whole point was, why is it ok to make all the noise you want where there are a lot of other people, where there is already too much noise but it's not ok to make noise in a place where there aren't very many people? I don't want to make much noise no matter where I'm at. I think more of my fellow man than to make his or her life more miserable by making a lot of noise. Some noise is necessary for progress but some people seem to go out of their way to make even more noise when it's completely unnecessary. They do it to get noticed for the most part. Their thinking is, hey look at me. I have this loud (what ever it is) and I want people to notice me and my (what ever it is they're driving or riding) They're nothing but a bunch of conceited jerks who are more than likely selfish too.
 

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Don't know why everyone thinks loud is cool? Nothing is cooler than stealth and silence, especially to your neighbors.
How was your trip to Mexico. Was Senor Frogs still there??
Trip was awesome Vandal...thanks for asking...senior frogs is still there but we didn't spend much time in the hotel zone...went down to Tulum for a few days and over to the island. Daughter lives there so stayed with her the rest of
The time. Drank lots of cerveza for both of us?...lol
 

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My alarm is my Rotti/Mastiff mix and my Dane even though they would lick you to death. My next door neighbor is a 6ft4 prison guard that works odd shifts and welcomes any intruders at any hour. I feel safe leaving for vacation anytime.
 

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You can have nice sounding vehicles without being just loud. The key is to pick your exhaust parts carefully where you end up with a sweet sounding vehicle and not a pos loud vehicle...
Go to an established muffler shop, not just some fly by night joint, they can direct towards what sounds good. But in reality, it takes cubic inches to make for a truly good sounding exhaust.
 

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Good point , but after pages and pages it's liable to change
 

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You can have nice sounding vehicles without being just loud. The key is to pick your exhaust parts carefully where you end up with a sweet sounding vehicle and not a pos loud vehicle...
Go to an established muffler shop, not just some fly by night joint, they can direct towards what sounds good. But in reality, it takes cubic inches to make for a truly good sounding exhaust.
Cubic inches has absolutely nothing to do with a good exhaust sound. Some of the sweetest cars I've ever heard had very small motors but made lots of hp....think indy car.....European supercars.....even a few Asian cars sound very good and don't have lots of cubic inches, just well thought out engines and tuned exhaust......a high compression small block chevy turning lots of rpm sounds fantastic without being a big cubic inch motor.
 

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You can have nice sounding vehicles without being just loud. The key is to pick your exhaust parts carefully where you end up with a sweet sounding vehicle and not a pos loud vehicle...
Go to an established muffler shop, not just some fly by night joint, they can direct towards what sounds good. But in reality, it takes cubic inches to make for a truly good sounding exhaust.
Cubic inches has absolutely nothing to do with a good exhaust sound. Some of the sweetest cars I've ever heard had very small motors but made lots of hp....think indy car.....European supercars.....even a few Asian cars sound very good and don't have lots of cubic inches, just well thought out engines and tuned exhaust......a high compression small block chevy turning lots of rpm sounds fantastic without being a big cubic inch motor.
Well, I would guess that is a difference of opinion. I have never heard a rice burner that ever sounded decent.
I happen to like cubic inches, the volume of air moving thru the exhaust is what makes it, for me, in my humble opinion.
 

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Go to an established muffler shop, not just some fly by night joint, they can direct towards what sounds good. But in reality, it takes cubic inches to make for a truly good sounding exhaust.
Cubic inches has absolutely nothing to do with a good exhaust sound. Some of the sweetest cars I've ever heard had very small motors but made lots of hp....think indy car.....European supercars.....even a few Asian cars sound very good and don't have lots of cubic inches, just well thought out engines and tuned exhaust......a high compression small block chevy turning lots of rpm sounds fantastic without being a big cubic inch motor.
Well, I would guess that is a difference of opinion. I have never heard a rice burner that ever sounded decent.
I happen to like cubic inches, the volume of air moving thru the exhaust is what makes it, for me, in my humble opinion.

Differences of opinion is what makes the world go round. Listen to a Nissan GTR sometime and you wont believe its and Asian car. Great exhaust note
Not to mention fast as hell. Also some of the V-8 Asian cars sound mighty good. I like you think the average rice burner sounds terrible, but not the high dollar ones....IMO
 

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Kipper the Wonder Dog lets me know when someone, or something is outside the house. (should have named him Zeuz he thinks he is a much bigger dog than he is) Smith and Wesson have got the inside.
 

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You can be prepared as much as humanly possible. Will it be enough, no. But that doesn't mean I won't go practice etc. I should say then be more prepared than not, as in someone who goes and buys a gun and never shoots it or takes the time to learn how to clean it, operate it and maintain it. Wouldn't you agree?

I am all for dealing with the consequences afterwards if it saves my life or someone else's life. Wouldn't you agree?
No, i don’t agree with neither, no one can be humanly prepared because all situations are different, you can be an expert in handguns, practice all the time, have 1000+ rounds under your belt but when that time comes instinct kicks in and decisions are made. While serving a tour in Iraq i was with the 160th Special Ops and i had the honor to serve with Special Forces, Rangers, Navy Seals, and Recon Snipers and they all say the same thing. When you get shot at is pucker action and your instincts take over, but when you take some one’s life it doesn’t matter if it’s the enemy or not there is no preparing, no training in the world that will make you deal with that.

As far as the second part? If you really went to the CCP class, they teach you that the first words out of your mouth when involved in a shooting is "I WANT TO TALK TO A LAWYER" protecting my life "YES" my kids and family "YES" a stranger "NO" you are not a Police Officer, I was a third Generation Police Officer and my dad always told me
"A Hero is someone who did something stupid and live to tell about it"

Don’t try to be a Hero!!!
I don't believe your following here and I don't wanna hijack the thread anymore than we already have but I have to say this to make it simple and clear:

I'll use my gun if I have to, it matters not what kind of demons I'll have afterwards, the fact that it'll be hard to deal with afterwards doesn't change the fact that I will defend myself or others from harm. This is the same thing Law Enforcement and the Military do day in and day out. I'm not going to choose to be harmed just because I don't thik I can't deal with it afterwards.

What's so hard to understand here? It's like your completely missing the point.
I'm not arguing that "I can deal with the emotional aftermath". Just simply that I'll defend myself, and I bet you would too, if put in harmful or deadly situation.

As far are legal matters. God forbid I am ever in a situation like this your best bet is to say NOTHING to the police, absolutely NOTHING. There's a famous defense attorney that has a lecture on YouTube that sums it all up. NOTHING good can come of saying ANYTHING to the police until you have consulted an attorney.

Who said anything about being a hero? Try to follow next time. I'm done commenting on this. It's like talking to a 3yr old.
I would much rather deal with any emotional aftermath as not have any aftermath
 

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"Put an Arctic Cat cover on it". That's priceless.
Deter, Delay, Deception. LOL
That is priceless! ROTFL!

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No, i don’t agree with neither, no one can be humanly prepared because all situations are different, you can be an expert in handguns, practice all the time, have 1000+ rounds under your belt but when that time comes instinct kicks in and decisions are made. While serving a tour in Iraq i was with the 160th Special Ops and i had the honor to serve with Special Forces, Rangers, Navy Seals, and Recon Snipers and they all say the same thing. When you get shot at is pucker action and your instincts take over, but when you take some one’s life it doesn’t matter if it’s the enemy or not there is no preparing, no training in the world that will make you deal with that.

As far as the second part? If you really went to the CCP class, they teach you that the first words out of your mouth when involved in a shooting is "I WANT TO TALK TO A LAWYER" protecting my life "YES" my kids and family "YES" a stranger "NO" you are not a Police Officer, I was a third Generation Police Officer and my dad always told me
"A Hero is someone who did something stupid and live to tell about it"

Don’t try to be a Hero!!!
I don't believe your following here and I don't wanna hijack the thread anymore than we already have but I have to say this to make it simple and clear:

I'll use my gun if I have to, it matters not what kind of demons I'll have afterwards, the fact that it'll be hard to deal with afterwards doesn't change the fact that I will defend myself or others from harm. This is the same thing Law Enforcement and the Military do day in and day out. I'm not going to choose to be harmed just because I don't thik I can't deal with it afterwards.

What's so hard to understand here? It's like your completely missing the point.
I'm not arguing that "I can deal with the emotional aftermath". Just simply that I'll defend myself, and I bet you would too, if put in harmful or deadly situation.

As far are legal matters. God forbid I am ever in a situation like this your best bet is to say NOTHING to the police, absolutely NOTHING. There's a famous defense attorney that has a lecture on YouTube that sums it all up. NOTHING good can come of saying ANYTHING to the police until you have consulted an attorney.

Who said anything about being a hero? Try to follow next time. I'm done commenting on this. It's like talking to a 3yr old.
I would much rather deal with any emotional aftermath as not have any aftermath
rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6...
 
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