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You've had the hard shifting from day 1 if I recall correctly. One could easily conclude that this misalignment was the cause for your " mishap ". It really stinks you've had this atv for months with the problem and have been pretty much disappointed with it. Maybe once you get this figured out you can trust it, and be a little happier with your purchase.
 

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I'm hoping once I get this sorted out it makes some sort of improvement in how it rides, I just think it'd be cool to be able to easily let off the gas and roll backwards without physically having to put it into reverse to get it to move backwards...would make aborting a hill or doing small test hits up and roll back safer that's for sure...don't know if this is the cause for the ratcheting I get when I try to roll backwards down a steeper hill or not, but if something isn't right...something isn't right, and I honestly don't know enough about this clutches and such to pin point and "just fix it" without a push in the right direction.

I'll call the closest dealer to me to see what they have for driven clutch shims, maybe I can have a buddy that lives half way between me and them go grab them for me to save me some time...cant find anything online for the XP, found some .030 and .060 for the RZR though...just don't know if the shims will fit correctly over my shaft.

Looking forward to, but not really, checking alignment...knowing how my luck goes it'll be whacked out too LOL and jack shafts wont be parallel so I'll have to figure out how to adjust those too.

I can find clutch pullers and clutch alignment tools all over, but nothing specific to the XP's...so if anybody has a link/s I'd like to get the stuff ordered up and on their way...if I had a known good alignment I could easily fab my own bar for future use, but I don't know how badly my stuff is goofed up so hard to make a gage with possibly faulty baseline plots to go off of.
 

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Sounds like you need a shop manual brother!
 

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I got a service manual and it covers some stuff very good others pretty vauge..such as how to and what to adjust to align clutches..going to go over it again when i get home this a.m. but couldnt find what i was looking for last night.
 

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Just as simple as pulling off secondary, installing appropriate shimage and reinstalling secondary?

I get home ill pm ya...sure you got a handful laying around but i gotta send ya a little something so i dont feel guilty lol.
 

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I'm hoping once I get this sorted out it makes some sort of improvement in how it rides, I just think it'd be cool to be able to easily let off the gas and roll backwards without physically having to put it into reverse to get it to move backwards...would make aborting a hill or doing small test hits up and roll back safer that's for sure...don't know if this is the cause for the ratcheting I get when I try to roll backwards down a steeper hill or not, but if something isn't right...something isn't right, and I honestly don't know enough about this clutches and such to pin point and "just fix it" without a push in the right direction.

I'll call the closest dealer to me to see what they have for driven clutch shims, maybe I can have a buddy that lives half way between me and them go grab them for me to save me some time...cant find anything online for the XP, found some .030 and .060 for the RZR though...just don't know if the shims will fit correctly over my shaft.

Looking forward to, but not really, checking alignment...knowing how my luck goes it'll be whacked out too LOL and jack shafts wont be parallel so I'll have to figure out how to adjust those too.

I can find clutch pullers and clutch alignment tools all over, but nothing specific to the XP's...so if anybody has a link/s I'd like to get the stuff ordered up and on their way...if I had a known good alignment I could easily fab my own bar for future use, but I don't know how badly my stuff is goofed up so hard to make a gage with possibly faulty baseline plots to go off of.
correct me if im wrong.. maybe ryan can chime in too. but isnt it true that these xp's cant roll backwards because of the one way bearing? this is how we get engine braking? so that means if the one way bearing was not there, we could roll backwards down a hill AND we would not have engine braking.

because id love to be able to roll backwards but im thinking i like my engine brake too.. cant have best of both worlds. ;(
 

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Yes in either range. I can climb up a hill and let it roll back down and it's never even hinted at grabbing. It freewheels like you pulled the clutch in on a regular quad. Don't know if it is supposed to do that or not but it's done it since new and I just assumed it was normal.
 

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EBS clutch doesn't prevent you from rolling backwards. Your belt always touching one of your primary clutch sheaves will though.
Looks like shimming the primary out should help your situation a lot. One thing that helped my similar situation was to move the engine on the lower mount to the left ,which loosened the belt a little and help align it. Now it falls nicely onto the one way bearing in the middle of the clutch.
 

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Can't move the engine and trans around on the XP. It's all on a solid plate together. His shims are in the mail and I would suspect they land there tomorrow from MN to IA. From where is sits, he should have them aligned and corrected in about 20 min tops.
 

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RVS Performance is sending out some shims so we'll get this all figured out and once I have it acting correctly, obviously I'll post up what it took to get it there. Really don't know what to expect now with a clutch that will be functioning properly, now I'll probably end up hitting myself in the balls since I've been so used to fighting the shifter to get it into gear since I bought it new, if it shifts like it should "normally" I can see some ball taps in my future LOL.

And man oh man...to be able to freewheel backwards down a hill, THAT is all I've wanted since day one, not a ratchety/catchey clutch like it's been and so many of the po po diehards who last yr were flapping their gums and kept telling me it was my fault, I cant ride, don't know how to ride, the machine is fine LMFAO!! Got to see the mouths spout off one direction without knowing shit, would be even cooler to see them come in and say, ahh, guess you were right from the get go, something mechanically wasn't right with your bike like you said and thought, it's too bad you had to be the one to dig in and find it since dealer said it was fine when obviously it wasn't, sorry for all the derogatory name calling towards you when it was truly us that were clueless; but that aint happenin LMAO:) Still amuses me though.

Anyhow, getting tired of telling Ryan at RVS thank you, but the man has been right there with info through PM's, so you guys really need to help support a business like his, at least give his website a look see, to see if he has what you need and contact him, the guy is there for ya all the time and knows his stuff, I'd rather pay a few extra dollars on a product knowing it's backed by guys like him who care about US, the customer, than save a few dollars and then never be able to talk to anybody in the future should something happen. Just cant say enough good about'em.
 

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Can't move the engine and trans around on the XP. It's all on a solid plate together. His shims are in the mail and I would Bestsuspect they land there tomorrow from MN to IA. From where is sits, he should have them aligned and corrected in about 20 min tops.
Best part, tomorrow is Thursday, I get some ME time for myself, perfect opportunity to play in the shed...just wish I'd a washed the damn thing after the last ride.
 

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Sounds like it should be figured out once and for all for you! It was a great feeling getting mine shifting smooth again.

Do you plan to contact the dealerships that you had looked at by, to let them know what a simple thing they overlooked?
 

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1500 rpm seems to high. Not sure what its supposed to be, but my 850 idles at 1200. Your secondary should not be spinning that fast at idle
FWIW, just did a google, and haven't referred to service manual yet, but all state the 550 typical idles around the 1720 mark +/- 50 rpm so I guess mine is actually low considering

That's how it's been been since day one with stock clutch, just weird I put that QSC kit in a few weeks ago and THAT day it was THE smoothest shifting it's ever been, ever...shift lever actually felt smooth and didn't require either two hands and half force or one hand an a lot of jerking to get it to change gears. Then this weekend, after sitting since that ride last week or so to try out the new clutch kit was the worst it's ever been so don't know what happened while sitting.

Been reading up a bunch and everything all says what so many of you already stated, the secondary should barely be spinning and could be stopped by hand if you tried, wasn't no way in hell I was trying that with the set up above LOL.

Also, just to reiterate, both back wheels were OFF the machine and rear of machine was in the air on a jack so I don't know how much that plays into how it's acting (just thinking of automobiles and the rear tires spinning with no weight on them while it's jacked up in gear, but put it on the ground and the convertor allows enough slippage the car sits). But as I mentioned earlier, yesterday with the quad all assembled on the ground, it was jerking itself forward or backwards depending what gear I had tranny in.

So the big question, what does a guy do to try to start experimenting to get the secondary to slow down/slip more at idle/off the gas situation? I'm going to put that extra .030 shim in the primary to try and raise the engagement rpm a few hundred more to see if I like that better than the 2000 rpm current engagement (which is fine/works great, just looking for a bit more pop from the get go) but no idea how to address the secondary issue and so far google hasn't been much good researching it for things to try either...so looking forward to hearing from the guys versed in this CVT black magic voodoo stuff.

Also will mention, with the cab on plowing after putting bell crank on yesterday, it seemed to smell of a hot belt...a certain "twang" in the air so to speak I'm not used to smelling but smelled like a hot belt.
I found this and it shows on page 129 the idle should be around 1650 +-50 which I agree does seem high to me too. When my 400 gets around that rpm it grinds gears like crazy trying to shift into gear from neutral.
Specifications - Polaris Sportsman 550 XP Owner's Manual [Page 129]
Anyhow, I hope you get it figured out. I replaced the belt on my 800 and it did NOT go crazy like that. Definitely looks like poor alignment or, the moving pulley is not relaxing all the way out like it should. That vid of the one moving in and out looked just right.
 

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Hahahah..never mind!! I guess I should have read through to the end.!!!
Glad you got her sorted out.
 

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Be kinda useless to contact that dealer..they wont give two shits since i didnt buy it from them and theyre always packed in the service bays so id just be a fart in the wind to them..

No me tie tomorrow...no scho fri so daughters travel team is having a team slumber party at the casino and wife is going to help chaparone...guess its me and the lil guy with severe ADDout in the shed...this will be fun....not. lol hopefully i can keep him interested to keep him out of trouble cuz its getting done tomorrow one way or another.
 

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Having the engine and trans all on one plate together sounds like a good system. Alignment must be easier to obtain.
Ryan is definitely knowledgeable, helpful and a great asset to forums like these.
Hope you get your bike shifting normally again....I think you will be surprised how smooth it will shift and work for you.
 
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