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Does MotorKote contain chlorine?


Motorkote contains chlorinated napthalene, which is basically Chlorox and mothballs. It's a waxy insulator, but is corrosive.
Well doubt's about Motor Kote being corrosive is completely wrong.
I been watching video after video nothing but good and one that he used 100% Motor Kote and run it for 10,000 miles with no problems only better gas mileage and been using it for years and he said that he saves $200 a year on gas every after buying the Motor Kote and van that he been using it in has over 340,000 miles.
The videos of people who use Motor Kote with out standing results are overwhelming.
 

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I stick to Amsoil in the ATV and Penzoil ultra platinum in everything else, it’s been the most cost effective for me. I use these based on Blackstone Lab tests, price and availability.
That is the exact same oils I use in Sportsman is Amsoil and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum in the 6 cars and Trucks and it's so funny I changed oil in my 2002 Trans Am today and the Sportsman is going to get it tomorrow.
 

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Well doubt's about Motor Kote being corrosive is completely wrong.
I been watching video after video nothing but good and one that he used 100% Motor Kote and run it for 10,000 miles with no problems only better gas mileage and been using it for years and he said that he saves $200 a year on gas every after buying the Motor Kote and van that he been using it in has over 340,000 miles.
The videos of people who use Motor Kote with out standing results are overwhelming.
Here, read the Independent testing done on it..look at Page 2.

 

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I'm living proof that Prolong destroyed my engine. If additives like these were so great, the major oil manufacturers would have included them in their oils a long time ago. Its a NO BRAINER as to why they don't.
Absolutely, and in some case they will void any warranty claims if you use non-recommended additives.

I've been driving since 1963, 60 years now, and in all those years so many snake oil additives have come and gone, simply just use what the Manufacture recommends and you're be safe and covered, quit trying to second guess the companies who built your equipment.
 

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This can be a tough crowd, but discussions like this one is why I like this forum so much. I'm a member of a bunch of different forums with topics covering nearly all brands of ATV's to Duramax diesels to hunting, fishing, and gardening. Few of them have the depth and diversity of knowledge, expertise and experience that can be found here.
Keep up the good work guys.
 

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Subject: Chlorine-containing potentially corrosive aftermarket engine oil treatments Technical Service Bulletin OBJECTIVE: Inform Dealers of erroneous sales claims used by aftermarket supplement companies and explain the potential dangers of using these products. ISSUES: The use of aftermarket engine oil supplements that contain chlorine can cause corrosive wear to a vehicle’s engine and possible subsequent engine failure. TECHNICAL DISCUSSION: Aftermarket engine oil supplements are “treatments” advertised to enhance an oil’s properties. Manufacturers claim these treatments reduce friction, noise and wear; maintain higher lubricity and break down sludge and varnish, protecting the engine components. Many products advertise materials like Tefl on, molybdenum or graphite; however, most fail to mention that they contain chlorine, which can be highly corrosive when mixed with water. Chlorinated paraffi ns were once used as extreme pressure (EP) additives in lubricants, but the practice has been discontinued in most passenger vehicle lubricants due to the corrosive side effects. These chlorinated compounds are used due to their low cost and ability to provide EP properties, but they readily react with water and combustion by-products to form acidic materials that promote corrosion of engine components and bearings. Lubes ‘N’ Greases published an article in August 1998 outlining the effects of chlorine on vehicle engine components. Author Maurice LePera explains the following: Chlorinated additives are not used in modern, fully formulated automotive engine oils. The environment within an internal combustion engine consists of high operating temperatures, combustion and blowby gases, moisture, acid and oxidation precursors, wear debris, unburnt fuel, etc. The combination of these ingredients when combined with the catalytic effects of metallic surfaces and trace soluble metals such Submitted By: LJ Reviewed By: DP Approved By: AA Distribution: Internal X All X AMSOIL INC., AMSOIL Bldg., Superior, WI 54880 (715) 392-7101 as copper will cause chlorine to hydrolyze – forming hydrochloric acid and other associated reaction products. Once generated, these acidic reaction products can cause serious internal engine corrosion problems, especially on ferrous and aluminum alloys.1 Furthermore, chlorinated paraffi ns tend to become more reactive as temperatures rise, making them exponentially more dangerous in hotter environments. “Chlorine-based additives can be fi lm-forming even at ambient temperatures, but as the temperature rises they become aggressive and, with the release of HCl [hydrochloric acid], can cause signifi cant corrosion.”2 Corrosion on the cam lobe or tappet face can also cause corrosive spalling, outlined in an engine failure case later in this bulletin. Because of the side effects of chlorine breakdown, many military and commercial specifi cations prohibit the use of chlorinated additives. For example, military specifi cation MIL-PRF-17331J specifi es, “[additives], if used, shall not contain chlorine.”3 Furthermore, “SAE J357 (Physical and Chemical Properties of Engine Oils) lists chlorine as a contaminant.”1 AMSOIL INC. recently initiated an independent lab study to determine if four engine treatment products contained chlorinated ingredients, and if so, how much each contained. The products tested were Dura Lube Engine Treatment Booster, Motorkote Hyper Lubricant/Engine Treatment, Motorkote MK Million Mile Formula and Prolong Engine Treatment. Dura Lube4 and Prolong6 make no reference to chlorine content in their product descriptions; Motorkote5 makes no reference in some of their product descriptions, while others specifi cally state “contains no chlorine.” However, based on the lab testing, each contains high amounts of chlorine as referenced in the following table. Submitted By: LJ Reviewed By: DP Approve
Internal X All X AMSOIL INC., AMSOIL Bldg., Superior, WI 54880 (715) 392-7101 © Engine Treatment Product Chlorine, ppm (%) Dura Lube Engine Treatment Booster 55,000 (5.5) Motorkote Hyper Lubricant /Engine Treatment 272,000 (27.2) Motorkote MK Million Mile Formula 207,000 (20.7) Prolong Engine Treatment 304,000 (30.4) Each oil additive contained signifi cant quantities of chlorine as tested by ASTM D-808. Typical lubricating fl uids contain anywhere from 0 to 150 ppm of chlorine, which is considered a trace amount. A recent AMSOIL Technical Services investigation on a Cummins OTR ISX-485 engine failure revealed a high amount of chlorine in the engine oil. The Cummins parts analysis determined the engine failure was the result of a corrosive attack to the cam follower pins, causing valve and injector camshaft lobe failures (see Figures 1-2). Five injector lobes and four valve lobes were signifi cantly spalled, meaning the metal fl aked off the surface of the lobes. Analysis of the injector pin and valve pin showed corrosive attack in both the wear and non-wear areas of the pins, while severe galling was observed on the cams and cam follower pins. Galling is the transference of material when moving parts are no longer fully separated and protected. Furthermore, surface analysis showed peaks of chlorine in the actual metal surface, which is not normally present on a cam follower pin under normal operating conditions (see Figure 3). The chemical data on the lubricant and surface analysis of the failed engine parts revealed the root cause of the failure was corrosive wear. Acidic components in lubricants directly lead to corrosive wear. In this case, an abnormal amount of chlorine was found in the engine oil. Chlorine, when combined with hydrogen and water in the engine, can create hydrochloric acid. This, in turn, can cause severe TBN depletion, which was the case with this Cummins engine. It was determined that a chlorine-containing additive was used when an oil sample from the engine tested at 11,000 ppm of chlorine. The result was an extreme corrosive environment which was responsible for the upper end engine failure within 195,000 original miles. RECOMMENDATION: Aftermarket oil additives are not recommended for use with AMSOIL synthetic motor oils. AMSOIL synthetic motor oils are fully formulated to provide superior protection and performance; use of aftermarket additives will detract from their performance and possibly lead to engine failure. Use of aftermarket oil additives not approved by AMSOIL INC. will void the AMSOIL Limited Warranty. REFERENCES: 1. LePera, Maurice.Chlorine & Engine Oils: A Good Mix? Lubes ‘N’ Greases, pp. 16-20. 2. Rudnick, Leslie R. (2003). Lubricant Additives Chemistry and Applications. New York, New York: Marcel Dekker, Inc. 3. MIL-PRF-17331J. (2003, September 09). Retrieved from http://www.wbdg.org/ccb/FEDMIL/prf17331j.pdf. 4. Dura Lube Products. (2008). Retrieved from https:// www.duralube.com/Galleries/Small/DL%20booster%20 sell%20sheet.pdf. 5. Motorkote Products. Retrieved from https://www. motorkote.com/Products.aspx. 6. Prolong Super Lubricants. Retrieved from http:// www.prolong.com/A_ET.html. Figure 1 Figure 2 Galling to spalling damage on an intake valve cam follower roller in a Cummins OTR engine. Photo courtesy of Cummins Inc. Corrosive attack to the roller to pin contact area of an injector cam follower pin in a Cummins OTR engine. Photo courtesy of Cummins Inc. Figure 3 An EDS spectrum of the pin surface in the roller to pin non-contact area of an intake valve cam follower pin. Notice the peak in chlorine (ClKa). Photo courtesy of Cummins Inc. AMSOIL INC., AMSOIL Bldg., Superior, WI 54880 (715) 392-7101
 

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Subject: Chlorine-containing potentially corrosive aftermarket engine oil treatments Technical Service Bulletin OBJECTIVE: Inform Dealers of erroneous sales claims used by aftermarket supplement companies and explain the potential dangers of using these products. ISSUES: The use of aftermarket engine oil supplements that contain chlorine can cause corrosive wear to a vehicle’s engine and possible subsequent engine failure. TECHNICAL DISCUSSION: Aftermarket engine oil supplements are “treatments” advertised to enhance an oil’s properties. Manufacturers claim these treatments reduce friction, noise and wear; maintain higher lubricity and break down sludge and varnish, protecting the engine components. Many products advertise materials like Tefl on, molybdenum or graphite; however, most fail to mention that they contain chlorine, which can be highly corrosive when mixed with water. Chlorinated paraffi ns were once used as extreme pressure (EP) additives in lubricants, but the practice has been discontinued in most passenger vehicle lubricants due to the corrosive side effects. These chlorinated compounds are used due to their low cost and ability to provide EP properties, but they readily react with water and combustion by-products to form acidic materials that promote corrosion of engine components and bearings. Lubes ‘N’ Greases published an article in August 1998 outlining the effects of chlorine on vehicle engine components. Author Maurice LePera explains the following: Chlorinated additives are not used in modern, fully formulated automotive engine oils. The environment within an internal combustion engine consists of high operating temperatures, combustion and blowby gases, moisture, acid and oxidation precursors, wear debris, unburnt fuel, etc. The combination of these ingredients when combined with the catalytic effects of metallic surfaces and trace soluble metals such Submitted By: LJ Reviewed By: DP Approved By: AA Distribution: Internal X All X AMSOIL INC., AMSOIL Bldg., Superior, WI 54880 (715) 392-7101 as copper will cause chlorine to hydrolyze – forming hydrochloric acid and other associated reaction products. Once generated, these acidic reaction products can cause serious internal engine corrosion problems, especially on ferrous and aluminum alloys.1 Furthermore, chlorinated paraffi ns tend to become more reactive as temperatures rise, making them exponentially more dangerous in hotter environments. “Chlorine-based additives can be fi lm-forming even at ambient temperatures, but as the temperature rises they become aggressive and, with the release of HCl [hydrochloric acid], can cause signifi cant corrosion.”2 Corrosion on the cam lobe or tappet face can also cause corrosive spalling, outlined in an engine failure case later in this bulletin. Because of the side effects of chlorine breakdown, many military and commercial specifi cations prohibit the use of chlorinated additives. For example, military specifi cation MIL-PRF-17331J specifi es, “[additives], if used, shall not contain chlorine.”3 Furthermore, “SAE J357 (Physical and Chemical Properties of Engine Oils) lists chlorine as a contaminant.”1 AMSOIL INC. recently initiated an independent lab study to determine if four engine treatment products contained chlorinated ingredients, and if so, how much each contained. The products tested were Dura Lube Engine Treatment Booster, Motorkote Hyper Lubricant/Engine Treatment, Motorkote MK Million Mile Formula and Prolong Engine Treatment. Dura Lube4 and Prolong6 make no reference to chlorine content in their product descriptions; Motorkote5 makes no reference in some of their product descriptions, while others specifi cally state “contains no chlorine.” However, based on the lab testing, each contains high amounts of chlorine as referenced in the following table. Submitted By: LJ Reviewed By: DP Approve
Internal X All X AMSOIL INC., AMSOIL Bldg., Superior, WI 54880 (715) 392-7101 © Engine Treatment Product Chlorine, ppm (%) Dura Lube Engine Treatment Booster 55,000 (5.5) Motorkote Hyper Lubricant /Engine Treatment 272,000 (27.2) Motorkote MK Million Mile Formula 207,000 (20.7) Prolong Engine Treatment 304,000 (30.4) Each oil additive contained signifi cant quantities of chlorine as tested by ASTM D-808. Typical lubricating fl uids contain anywhere from 0 to 150 ppm of chlorine, which is considered a trace amount. A recent AMSOIL Technical Services investigation on a Cummins OTR ISX-485 engine failure revealed a high amount of chlorine in the engine oil. The Cummins parts analysis determined the engine failure was the result of a corrosive attack to the cam follower pins, causing valve and injector camshaft lobe failures (see Figures 1-2). Five injector lobes and four valve lobes were signifi cantly spalled, meaning the metal fl aked off the surface of the lobes. Analysis of the injector pin and valve pin showed corrosive attack in both the wear and non-wear areas of the pins, while severe galling was observed on the cams and cam follower pins. Galling is the transference of material when moving parts are no longer fully separated and protected. Furthermore, surface analysis showed peaks of chlorine in the actual metal surface, which is not normally present on a cam follower pin under normal operating conditions (see Figure 3). The chemical data on the lubricant and surface analysis of the failed engine parts revealed the root cause of the failure was corrosive wear. Acidic components in lubricants directly lead to corrosive wear. In this case, an abnormal amount of chlorine was found in the engine oil. Chlorine, when combined with hydrogen and water in the engine, can create hydrochloric acid. This, in turn, can cause severe TBN depletion, which was the case with this Cummins engine. It was determined that a chlorine-containing additive was used when an oil sample from the engine tested at 11,000 ppm of chlorine. The result was an extreme corrosive environment which was responsible for the upper end engine failure within 195,000 original miles. RECOMMENDATION: Aftermarket oil additives are not recommended for use with AMSOIL synthetic motor oils. AMSOIL synthetic motor oils are fully formulated to provide superior protection and performance; use of aftermarket additives will detract from their performance and possibly lead to engine failure. Use of aftermarket oil additives not approved by AMSOIL INC. will void the AMSOIL Limited Warranty. REFERENCES: 1. LePera, Maurice.Chlorine & Engine Oils: A Good Mix? Lubes ‘N’ Greases, pp. 16-20. 2. Rudnick, Leslie R. (2003). Lubricant Additives Chemistry and Applications. New York, New York: Marcel Dekker, Inc. 3. MIL-PRF-17331J. (2003, September 09). Retrieved from http://www.wbdg.org/ccb/FEDMIL/prf17331j.pdf. 4. Dura Lube Products. (2008). Retrieved from https:// www.duralube.com/Galleries/Small/DL%20booster%20 sell%20sheet.pdf. 5. Motorkote Products. Retrieved from https://www. motorkote.com/Products.aspx. 6. Prolong Super Lubricants. Retrieved from http:// www.prolong.com/A_ET.html. Figure 1 Figure 2 Galling to spalling damage on an intake valve cam follower roller in a Cummins OTR engine. Photo courtesy of Cummins Inc. Corrosive attack to the roller to pin contact area of an injector cam follower pin in a Cummins OTR engine. Photo courtesy of Cummins Inc. Figure 3 An EDS spectrum of the pin surface in the roller to pin non-contact area of an intake valve cam follower pin. Notice the peak in chlorine (ClKa). Photo courtesy of Cummins Inc. AMSOIL INC., AMSOIL Bldg., Superior, WI 54880 (715) 392-7101
FTC is all over this and Motor Kote wasn't in the list.
 

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Your reading skills might be lacking:

The products tested were Dura Lube Engine Treatment Booster, Motorkote Hyper Lubricant/Engine Treatment, Motorkote MK Million Mile Formula and Prolong Engine Treatment. Dura Lube4 and Prolong6 make no reference to chlorine content in their product descriptions; Motorkote5 makes no reference in some of their product descriptions, while others specifi cally state “contains no chlorine.” However, based on the lab testing, each contains high amounts of chlorine as referenced in the following table. Submitted By: LJ Reviewed By: DP Approve
 

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Your reading skills might be lacking:

The products tested were Dura Lube Engine Treatment Booster, Motorkote Hyper Lubricant/Engine Treatment, Motorkote MK Million Mile Formula and Prolong Engine Treatment. Dura Lube4 and Prolong6 make no reference to chlorine content in their product descriptions; Motorkote5 makes no reference in some of their product descriptions, while others specifi cally state “contains no chlorine.” However, based on the lab testing, each contains high amounts of chlorine as referenced in the following table. Submitted By: LJ Reviewed By: DP Approve
That's not in link I posted.
I guess you can't read at all.
 

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That's not in link I posted.
I guess you can't read at all.
I see you simply ignored the Independent testing I posted..here's some more to see if you can understand the Snake oil you bought:

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Motorkote causes massive engine failure

Interestingly, Motorkote is consistently advertised as a miracle oil additive that can quickly improve an engine. However, a lot of past users seemed to have experienced no engine improvement from using it. What’s worse, the oil additive only contributed to a more massive engine failure.


After using the Motorkote, users reported that the oil additive eventually turns into thick bubble gum-like residue or adds to the sludge buildup. With that said, it is no wonder a lot of people already think that the oil additive is just a waste of many as it does not work exactly as advertised.


Basically, there’s a risk to using Motorkote since its problem is not an isolated case but has overwhelming issues proven by its past users.

It causes corrosion inside the engine

Supposedly, Motorkote can prevent corrosion buildup inside the engine. However, the result is unfavorable for some. Apparently, it is reported that the oil additive also turned into corrosion inside the engine over time. Problems like this are easily noticeable in reviews of Motorkote in popular online stores that sell it.


Since the oil additive can turn into corrosion over time after actually removing some, it is just useless to try it out. Some users even commented on online reviews that it is much better to use ordinary oil addition. After all, expecting to experience the miracle result of Motorkote as advertised will be disappointing.

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Motorkote does not improve car engine

As mentioned above, it has been a common problem for Motorkote to have no positive effect on the engine upon use. This means that it doesn’t also cause any improvement on a car engine, which is far from how it should work.


Truly, some past users think that Motorkote somewhat has false advertising because it causes no significant improvement on the engine. No engine smoothness results and no significant change in engine performance, which is different from what it promised to do.

Motorkote does not have a consistent effect on the engine

Initially, what makes Motorkote popular is because it causes positive effects on a car engine. However, it doesn’t seem consistent with what others experienced. Basically, it doesn’t work as expected, which is a disappointment, especially since it can be a waste of money by being useless.


From the users’ perspective, the inconsistent effect of the oil additive in a car engine is a reasonable excuse not to buy it. Having an unsure effect when used is already enough reason not to trust Motorkote. It is not good to just be thankful when it works and just let it pass if it does not cause any good on the engine.

It has problems with ultra-high heat

Motorkote is not ideal for ultra-high heat applications as it only leads to problems and might put an engine at risk. With this kind of restriction, it is safe to say that the oil additive is not flexible enough. When combined with its issue in consistency in its effect, it might be better for some just to use its alternative.

Motorkote produces unbelievable sludge buildup

One of the most popular problems involving Motorkote is that it can cause unbelievable sludge buildup. That really ruins the very reason why the oil additive exists. After all, sludge buildup can truly cause a car engine to have a faulty performance, leading to more expensive costs for repair and maintenance.

Motorkote is much more harmful than useful to engine

With so much information about the Motorkote problems and the inconsistency of its results as an oil additive, it just makes sense that it can be more harmful than useful to an engine. After all, a significant number of past users have actually encountered issues with using it.

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Simply put, using Motorkote will be like a gamble, waiting to see if it will perform as advertised or if the result will spark another issue regarding its effectiveness. Overall, the problems regarding Motorkote really cause an impact on the reputation of the product.




 
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