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I figured I better join the forum as I have been struggling with this for a while. As a preface electrical is my weak area so I appreciate all your help!

I have a 2001 sportsman 90 with no spark. It had been sitting for a few years. I had no spark at first so after some testing I replaced the stator and then had spark for a little bit. I also had a cracked spark plug cap so just put a new coil and cap on.

After doing some tests on the stator when I do an unloaded cranking test I get
yellow/red to black 6.2V
white to black 7.6V
white/red to black .9V
black/red to black 108V

I see the cdi box for the newer ones have a jumper that you can put between the 2 screws but I do not have that.
The black/white wire at the cdi gets ground when I turn the key on. The black wire that goes into the CDI is grounded at all times AND the white/blue that comes from the wiring harness and goes goes into the orange on the cdi is always grounded as well. this is with both the key on and off. Not sure if this is correct or not.

what is the best way to eliminate all the switches just to see if I get spark so I can work backward.
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Did you try another battery ?
I have not since my cranking speed is very fast because I am boosting it
Battery is not part of the ignition system - it is AC ignition

Try unplugging the grey wire from the CDI - that connects to ground if the throttle sticks.

Is there appx 100 volts peak on the blu/wht wire from the CDI unit to the coil?
Battery is not part of the ignition system - it is AC ignition

Try unplugging the grey wire from the CDI - that connects to ground if the throttle sticks.

Is there appx 100 volts peak on the blu/wht wire from the CDI unit to the coil?
Battery is not part of the ignition system - it is AC ignition

Try unplugging the grey wire from the CDI - that connects to ground if the throttle sticks.

Is there appx 100 volts peak on the blu/wht wire from the CDI unit to the coil?
yes, I have tried unplugging the gray wire to eliminate the switch in the throttle.

I just measured from ground to the blue/white wire that goes into the secondary coil and this is the picture I took. Here I’m only measuring 8.3 V. Going into the coil. I do not have a peak voltage reader
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yes, I have tried unplugging the gray wire to eliminate the switch in the throttle.

I just measured from ground to the blue/white wire that goes into the secondary coil and this is the picture I took. Here I’m only measuring 8.3 V. Going into the coil. I do not have a peak voltage reader View attachment 178549
And if I do the reading from the Black/Red to the black on the bullet connecter coming out of the stater this is what I’m getting today.
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You have a meter with a peak function, but I can't see from the pic if you are measuring peak voltage - the min/max button is for reading peak voltage - read the instructions that came with the meter to determine how to read peak voltage - typically is is a DC function

I have a digital meter with a peak voltage function, but I prefer the old Simpson analog meter and a peak voltage adapther

The should be 3 to 5 volts peak on the wht/red wire to the neg side of the battery
Typical is about 45 volts peak red/blk to neg side of the battery
The wht/blu wire at the coil will typically have appx 100 volts peak to neg side of the battery
The blk wire at the CDI/ unit should have continuity to the neg side of the battery

Don't worry about voltage from wht to yel/red - that is for charging the battery
You have a meter with a peak function, but I can't see from the pic if you are measuring peak voltage - the min/max button is for reading peak voltage - read the instructions that came with the meter to determine how to read peak voltage - typically is is a DC function

I have a digital meter with a peak voltage function, but I prefer the old Simpson analog meter and a peak voltage adapther

The should be 3 to 5 volts peak on the wht/red wire to the neg side of the battery
Typical is about 45 volts peak red/blk to neg side of the battery
The wht/blu wire at the coil will typically have appx 100 volts peak to neg side of the battery
The blk wire at the CDI/ unit should have continuity to the neg side of the battery

Don't worry about voltage from wht to yel/red - that is for charging the battery
Ok here is what I get on the white/blue at the coil while disconnected from the coil. I wasn’t sure if that would be the same thing as the additional peak voltage reader. I would not look at the average because I started reading before the the engine was spinning over. Should I disconnect the CDI when I am taking these other readings? Also, the white/red that you’re talking about is it the one that goes into the CDI or is it the one that comes off of the stator? I assume the black wire that you’re talking about is the one that goes into the cdi in the two wire connector. If it is, that one does have continuity to ground when the key is on or off.
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I wasn't the one making the connections and taking the readings, but if it was done correctly, the voltage on the blu/wht wire going to the coil is too low to generate a spark. So what is the PV on the red/blk CDI charge wire from the stator to the neg side of the battery - it should be the same on the red/blk wire at the CDI box.
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Thank you so much for your continued help.

So, here is the two readings from the red and black right at the stator disconnected, and at the wiring harness going into the CDI disconnected. They are very close to the same. The thing I do not understand with this meter is if you want peak AC or peak DC. The pictures are of AC but when I go to DC peak reading I am getting only about 3.1V DC peak.
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First I should point out you are measuring a blk/red wire (black with a red stripe) - not a red/blk

Regardless, the output should be read on the DC scale for maximum voltage as the pulse does not change direction (AC first goes in one direction away from zero and then goes the opposite direction from zero) - the pulse you are measuring would be more accurately described as pulsating DC - the pulses all go in the same direction away from zero.

Blk/red is the charging coil for the CDI and while the output voltage is not published in the service manual, typically the voltage is in the neighborhood of 45vp

I don't have a Sportsman 90 that I can check, but I will gamble either the stator is faulty or the flywheel is not turning as fast as the crankshaft.
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OK that makes no sense to me because I don’t have any red with a black stripe on either the stator side or on the CDI side? So now I’m definitely confused. Even on the electrical drawing I’m looking at it has black with a red stripe on both the stator side and the CDI box side. The stator is an aftermarket eBay one, but even looking at the wires that are in the quad wiring harness itself. I don’t have anything with the colour that you were looking for.
Perhaps you have the wrong stator - since the wire colors do not match, how do you know the parts are connected correctly?

If you are an inexperienced mechanic, at least start with parts designed for the vehicle you are working on.
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Hey late bird I’ve seen your name all around the forums while trying to solve my problem, I was wondering if you could help, I have a 2003 polaris scrambler 500 HO. my cdi box shorted out (part# 3087169 ) but that oem part has been discontinued. I tried a aftermarket one (part# 160-02120 ) and it didn’t work after looking into it everyone else is having same problem with aftermarket cdis not working, any idea what I should do? Any help would be appreciated thank you for your, time sorry to join a random thread but it wouldn’t allow to send a private message
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Hey late bird I’ve seen your name all around the forums while trying to solve my problem, I was wondering if you could help, I have a 2003 polaris scrambler 500 HO. my cdi box shorted out (part# 3087169 ) but that oem part has been discontinued. I tried a aftermarket one (part# 160-02120 ) and it didn’t work after looking into it everyone else is having same problem with aftermarket cdis not working, any idea what I should do? Any help would be appreciated thank you for your, time sorry to join a random thread but it wouldn’t allow to send a private message
That part was discontinued after 2004 - it was used in the following models:

2003 500 MAGNUM 4X4 HDS A03CD50FB
2003 500 MAGNUM 4X4 HDS A03CD50FB
2002 500 MAGNUM VL HDS A02CD50FB
2004 A04CH42AA SPORTSMAN 400 A04CH42AA/AE/AG
2004 A04CH50AA SPORTSMAN 500 A04CH50AA/AC/AE/AG
2004 A04JD50AA ATP 500 4X4 A04JD50AA/AB/CA
2004 A04JD50AA ATP 500 4X4 A04JD50AA/AB/CA
2002 ATV PRO 500 4X4 PPS C02CD50AC
2002 INT'L BIG BOSS 6X6 A02CL50DA
2002 LUH 6X6 PPS C02CL50AB
2002 MAGNUM 500 A02CD50AA
2002 MAGNUM 500 2X4 HDS A02CB50FC
2002 MAGNUM 500 RMK A02CD50AB
SERIES 10 PTV 4X4 C10CD50AA
SERIES 11 RANGER A11RB42AA/A11RD50AA/AB/A11RF50AA
1999 RANGER A99RF50AA MAGNETO -
SERIES 11 RANGER A11RB42AA/A11RD50AA/AB/A11RF50AA
SERIES 10 RANGER A10RD50AA
SERIES 10 RANGER A10RD50AA
SERIES 10 RANGER 500 6X6 A10RF50AB
2002 SCRAMBLER 500 2X4 A02BA50AA
2002 SCRAMBLER 500 2X4 A02BA50AB
2003 SCRAMBLER 500 4X4 A03BG50AA
2002 SCRAMBLER 500 4X4 A02BG50AA
2002 SCRAMBLER 500 4X4 FREEDOM A02BG50AC
2003 SPORTSMAN 400 A03CH42AA/AB/AC
2002 SPORTSMAN 500 ALL OPTIONS A02CH50
2003 SPORTSMAN 500 HO A03CH50AA/AB/AC/AD/AE/AH/AJ
2002 SPORTSMAN 6X6 A02CL50AA
2003 SPORTSMAN 6X6 A03CL50AA

Does your CDI look like this?
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Try a Rick's 15-509 - about $160

I basically answered my own question - the above unit is for a 2001-2002 model, but it can be used with some rewiring the 03 unit wired up like this:
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The 03 uses the same stator, bur t wire up like this:
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The wire colors are the same - just splice the 02 unit's wires to the 03 wires and it should work.
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That part was discontinued after 2004 - it was used in the following models:

2003 500 MAGNUM 4X4 HDS A03CD50FB
2003 500 MAGNUM 4X4 HDS A03CD50FB
2002 500 MAGNUM VL HDS A02CD50FB
2004 A04CH42AA SPORTSMAN 400 A04CH42AA/AE/AG
2004 A04CH50AA SPORTSMAN 500 A04CH50AA/AC/AE/AG
2004 A04JD50AA ATP 500 4X4 A04JD50AA/AB/CA
2004 A04JD50AA ATP 500 4X4 A04JD50AA/AB/CA
2002 ATV PRO 500 4X4 PPS C02CD50AC
2002 INT'L BIG BOSS 6X6 A02CL50DA
2002 LUH 6X6 PPS C02CL50AB
2002 MAGNUM 500 A02CD50AA
2002 MAGNUM 500 2X4 HDS A02CB50FC
2002 MAGNUM 500 RMK A02CD50AB
SERIES 10 PTV 4X4 C10CD50AA
SERIES 11 RANGER A11RB42AA/A11RD50AA/AB/A11RF50AA
1999 RANGER A99RF50AA MAGNETO -
SERIES 11 RANGER A11RB42AA/A11RD50AA/AB/A11RF50AA
SERIES 10 RANGER A10RD50AA
SERIES 10 RANGER A10RD50AA
SERIES 10 RANGER 500 6X6 A10RF50AB
2002 SCRAMBLER 500 2X4 A02BA50AA
2002 SCRAMBLER 500 2X4 A02BA50AB
2003 SCRAMBLER 500 4X4 A03BG50AA
2002 SCRAMBLER 500 4X4 A02BG50AA
2002 SCRAMBLER 500 4X4 FREEDOM A02BG50AC
2003 SPORTSMAN 400 A03CH42AA/AB/AC
2002 SPORTSMAN 500 ALL OPTIONS A02CH50
2003 SPORTSMAN 500 HO A03CH50AA/AB/AC/AD/AE/AH/AJ
2002 SPORTSMAN 6X6 A02CL50AA
2003 SPORTSMAN 6X6 A03CL50AA

Does your CDI look like this?
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Try a Rick's 15-509 - about $160
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I’m actually not sure what year my quad is I got it off marketplace and I’m trying to fix, it didn’t come with much info. But the cdi looks just like a black box with a female plug in, # 3087169
I’ve already removed the old one, I just know it’s whatever year came with that model cdi.
I’m actually not sure what year my quad is I got it off marketplace and I’m trying to fix, it didn’t come with much info. But the cdi looks just like a black box with a female plug in, # 3087169
I’ve already removed the old one, I just know it’s whatever year came with that model cdi.
So your CDI (regardless of color) looks like the CDI box in the pic I attached and like the one in this parts breakdown?
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It's important to know the year and model of Polaris you have as there were many mid year changes - the 03 Scrambler 500 used two different CDI boxes depending on the serial number of the unit. What is the VIN of the one you got?
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Any Chance you know where vin could be located? Google said left side frame but I dont see anything
Yes, you have the 03 model - the 02 module can be spliced in to work on the 03

If you cut the plug off the wiring harness of the 03 to splice in the 02 module, I will pay the shipping for you to send me the plug so I can try to source the connector and possibly create an adapter harness to easily adapt the 02 module to the 03 harness.
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