I have been working on a 420 Forman Honda for 10 hr on rear and front brakes and wheel bearing. The question is in 2013 why does Honda still use drum brakes? Polaris is so far ahead it's not funny!!!
EBC makes a Severe Duty (Copper metallic I think) that seem to hold up really well, and work well wet.I also agree with cw, I mean when I had my Honda, that was low maintenance lol and spent more time riding. Now I have a more up keep I guess, don't get me wrong I like my sportsman but I feel that prevented maintenance is key but sometimes replacing front brake every year gets to you!! I just put pads on in the spring for the season- so I thought:hmmm: but after 270km bare metal!! I guess you get what you pay for so now I have order ebc's and I hope they last lol:veryhappy:
In my experience its the exact opposite on ATVs, the mud still gets in, but then it gets trapped there and the only way to get it out is to pull the drum off. With disc, all you have to do is spray them out after each ride. This has been the case on every bike I've had with the drums.I'd have to agree with CW.... and also add that a drum break is somewhat semi-sealed. Not allowing, as much at least, of the dirt, mud and muck to get packed and worked into the pads, cylinder and drums like a disc/caliper systems. Which seems to wear the disc systems out faster.
Don't take thins wrong, but possibly more frequent maintenance would have found the issues before they progressed to a problem.Stuck wheel cly. adjusters that will not break loose. On the rear the cam locked up cables that will not work. Why do they still use cables.
To conform to the unwriten, industry motorcycle standard..... front brakes on right hand, clutch on left hand, throttle on right hand, rear brake on right foot, shift on left foot and if no clutch rear brakes on left hand also. By following these simple cycle "given", many new (to machine) operator accidents could be avoided.... can't argue that!MBN, Brakes on left, throttle on right. No good reason to put them both on the same hand. Why would you?
When I got to talk to a Polaris engineer back in 2009 at a dealer only invite ride to show off the new XP's before the first model year hit the showroom floor, I asked about this, being a motorcycle rider myself. This was his reasoning.To conform to the unwriten, industry motorcycle standard..... front brakes on right hand, clutch on left hand, throttle on right hand, rear brake on right foot, shift on left foot and if no clutch rear brakes on left hand also. By following these simple cycle "given", many new (to machine) operator accidents could be avoided.... can't argue that!MBN, Brakes on left, throttle on right. No good reason to put them both on the same hand. Why would you?
Like I said..... Don't get me wrong, but now that I'm use to the left hand "complete system brakes"... I like it. But if I had a choice I'd put the multi system brake lever on both sides. Not like it hasn't been done before!! But it boils down to cost!!
Semi's don't run in the mud and muck all the time. Drum brakes suck for off road applications. If you've ever worked on older Hondas they almost always have very little if any brakes. For less than the price of OEM parts to TRY to fix them you can buy a disc brake conversion kit that will totally eliminate any future brake problems.Stopping power of a drum far exceeds that of a disc. The problem is heat. The drum does not efficiently dissipate the heat. There is a REASON semis use drum brakes.